Friday, November 6, 2009

Killer For Islam

He handed out Korans? But didn't what he read in the Book of Peace make him think that he shouldn't go through with the massacre?

Or maybe he read that Paradise was guaranteed to those who "kill and are killed" for Allah (9:111), and took that seriously.

Note also that he affected Islamic clothing -- as did another "moderate," Maher Hawash, before the latter embarked upon his jihad.

"Police raid shooting suspect's Killeen apartment," by Victor O'Brien for the Killeen Daily Herald, November 6 (thanks to Ernest):

Bell County SWAT teams barricaded and evacuated a downtown Killeen apartment complex where Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan lived before authorities say he killed 13 people and injured 30 more during a massacre at Fort Hood Thursday....

In the morning, neighbors said Hasan handed Qurans and donated his furniture to anyone who would take it.

Neighbors described Hasan as a quiet man who began wearing "Arabic clothing" in recent weeks. Edward Windsor, a neighbor, never suspected Hasan was in the Army. Hasan's rank surprised Windsor who would never have imagined an officer with a rank of major would have lived in an apartment that rents for $350 and houses soldiers ranked as private first class....

Thanks to JihadWatch for this


Anonymous said...

Sorry, all this strikes a little to close to home for me to chime in laughingly. With the Virgina Tech shooting and all. We don't KNOW this was a "terrorist" act, and by that term 'terrorist' I guess you're automatically equating with Islam. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. But what the ------ constitutes a "terrorist" attack that anyway. Because he killed people and was Muslim this time? Does it even really MATTER? It wasn't an organized "terrorist" attack. Okay so he was muslim, he was pissed, he didn't like the war which mostly targeted people of his religion, he was going to get deployed to that war he hated and perhaps was freaking out. So it seems, maybe, maybe not. We don't really know, we weren't there. But at the end of the day, from where I sit which is just as distanced as the rest -- he was just a guy who was pissed off, wretched and somewhat whack like they usually are, who okay was also Muslim and yes had his own secret things he was pissed about like most spree shooters do. Cho shot 30 + people and he wasn't muslim. Just angry and pissed and wretched for his own reasons, and of course more that we will never know about, and a little whack. The guy at Luby's wasn't muslim....etc etc.

You know what, I don't even know what I'm trying to say. I'm ranting but not sure what or why. To me it seemed like a spree shooting which often involves angry unhinged unhappy fed up people, or sometimes just jerks who are power-tripping like that Maryland sniper (which wasn't a spree killing anyway) and maybe the one at the Texas University. So, okay, this one happened to be Muslim and part of his anger was about the current anti-muslim war. Okay, fine. But that doesn't mean this is some big jihad terrorist act, ....ALL shootings terrorize people, so, does it matter? You know what I'm saying?

AGH never mind. It just, annoys me somewhat to make an incident like this political when it's not, or even if it may be possibly slightly --does it matter?? It's just a bad tragedy that happened, a guy taking out his anger and franticness on innocent (as in non-targeted) people and that's that. Whether he's doing it for the sake of the Koran or doing it for the sake of Jesus telling him in his schizophrenic mind to do it is beside the point in this case, I feel, and it is somewhat tasteless to make it into some political/religious crap.

No offense to you Traddy, I'm not even really annoyed at you just, I don't know, like I said it hits too close to home.

Now watch me turn on the TV tomorrow and learn it is some big underground plotted Muslim terrorist attack. Then fine, I'd eat my own words. but until then, not so much.

- L

The Rockin' Traddy said...

Did you read my other posts before posting this?

America suffered her first terrorist attack since 9/11 yesterday. The true motive is so obvious I find it difficult to believe that some of you do not see it. Go look at the other info I've posted and then get back to me.

Here: For your reading pleasure - terror defined by the US.

USC 18 2331

As used in this chapter—
(1) the term “international terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping;

Anonymous said...

L---Right!! And the numbnuts who flew planes into the Twin Towers, Pentagon, and Shanksville were just "pissed" at the world. Didn't matter that they were muslim, and were promised "72 virgins" for doing this. Anyone could have taken out their anger on 3,000 innocent lives that day!! Right!!

Anonymous said...

What they didn't accomplish at Lepanto, they are accomplishing now through immigration. I wonder what the imam preaches over in Parsons?

Anonymous said...

Sorry, forgot to sign. That last one about Lepanto is me.

-- Christian

The Rockin' Traddy said...

Chris - Yay for Our Lady of Victory!

Anonymous said...

Elaine, I wasn't talking about 9/11. Don't use that condescending attitude with me. That was clearly an attack on our country by Islamic terrorists. If a bunch of them out there hate us and want us dead with their bloodlust, then I think we should prevent them before they have the chance. I voted for McCain, I support the troops. I don't bury my head in the sand about the reality that there are sects of Muslims out there who would love nothing more than rip us limb to limb. I'm all about self-defense.

I just see this as a spree shooting. In case you couldn't gather from my post, I was attending Virginia Tech when the 'massacre' as people like to call it happened. I find it sickening to turn an event into this for use of some political agenda. Like I said. If it is truly revealed that this was a pure jihad act on his part, perhaps even in cohorts with someone else, then fine, that's annoying.

But let me just leave you all with quote something Cho, the shooter at Virginia Tech, said in his own 'manifesto' that he sent to the news station after he shot and killed 32 people on my campus.

"...Do you know what it feels like to be humiliated and impaled upon a cross? And left to bleed to death for your amusement?...Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and defenseless people...the decision was yours. Now you have blood on your hands that will never wash off."

Ooooh, ooh noo, he did this thinking of himself as a CHRIST-like figure. We better burn all the Bibles out there now. Oh no!! And just think of how ALL the liberal stations at the time blamed his shooting on his Christianity!! Remember that? Oh wait, no. Because it didn't happen.

And Traddy, no, I didn't read every word of your 4-5 posts on this one subject. I saw all I needed to see. This is not the same as the 9/11 attack so that's not a good comparison. I don't see why that's so hard to grasp. You even mentioned that the victims are the ones we should be thinking about, when all your posts are about the muslim shooter.

I'm actually so angry I can't stay on this page at the moment. Probably because, like I said already, it hits too close to home. Fine, blame it on that, just me acting irrational. I don't care.

This is making me too angry. See? Hate begets hate. I need to go calm down because this is doing no good. I just can't stand to sit and read the hateful posts from uninvolved people about a hateful act like this and think it is doing ANY good. If one of the fort hood people left the act swearing vengeance upon all Muslims, I'd be sympathetic to that. But not this.

- L

The Rockin' Traddy said...

L - You are letting your emotions get the best of you. What criteria would have to be met before you would call an attack terrorism? A direct connection to Bin Laden? Maybe a money trail that leads to Al Quada?

For me, the fact that he is muslim, and shouted "Allahu Ackbar" before opening fire, is enough and millions of others feel the same.

If you don't agree, that's cool. But you sure do need to take a step back and not give any slack to this guy. He didn't give any to his victims.

Anonymous said...

I'm standing by what I said. Yes, okay, he went to the same mosque as the terrorists. blah blah. To me he's still some unhinged crazy angry guy, and was muslim, and thus probably gravitated to other angry muslim-ness. You know what I mean? Do you see the line I'm standing behind? Like the Columbine shooters, especially Eric Harris, had some leanings towards Hitler and his ways. Did that make him an actual Nazi. No. Even the Native American who shot his fellow classmates was a Hitler-admirer. Nazi though? no.

You are all looking at it with the lens of "OMG muslim guy killing people who tried calling al-queda he must automatically be in cahoots with them terrorist zomfg!" Im looking at it, as a spree shooter. Angry pissed off guy who is going to gravitate to angry pissed off things that will support his angry pissed offness. Understand? Articles I read say he was a ticking time bomb, etc, which to me does not fit the well-thought-out, planned ahead actions of the 9/11 Islamic terrorists, etc.

He grew up here. He chose to join our army. He got disillusioned with the war and perhaps gravitated towards the terrorist angle and then snapped when he learned he was going ot be sent to fit in the war.

That is how I see it. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it until something really strong disproves. Even if he DID try to call al-queda, as he did, that still doesn't disprove what I'm saying. Maybe he's just a wannabe terrorist. Alot of these shooters crave attention and importance, like Cho with Jesus Christ.

Does it make sense? It's MY perspective.

And gee, thanks for your tact in splashing 10 more posts on this subject. Freedom of speech, I know, but oh well.

- L

The Rockin' Traddy said...

L -
I am very surprised that you acting as an apologist for this terrorist. I again suggest you read the things I've posted and get your head on straight.

Anonymous said...

Not drinking the kool aid on this one. I saw your other posts. My head is on straight. I don't just believe everything I read and think for myself sometimes, too. So our stance differs on this one, fine. But they arrested friggin' Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam at an airport thinking he was a terrorist, too. Remember? Watch out, Peace Train, gonna get you.

If there is ever a real, concrete link that he was plotting a terrorist attack with other terrorists, fine. Maybe when he wakes up, he well spell it out for us and then I will shut up. I told you I would eat my words. But I don't see why it automatically EXCLUDES what I'm saying, either. That yes he's Muslim, yes perhaps a terrorist sympathizer. There is a difference in what I'm saying between what I would consider a plotted terrorist attack and just some stupid guy kirking out because he's pissed and wants to harm people and being all angry Muslim gave him a good reason to do so. I'm not apologizing for what he did. You're ignoring all of the points I'm making.

If he sets off a wave of other Muslims shooting people in sprees, then yeah, I'd say again you have a point.

Just, I'm looking at it through a different lens. And perhaps I'm thinking of the larger sense too. Yes, a bunch of Muslims out there hate us. They attacked us. They are raised wanting to kill us. That's bad. You have your nifty statistics up there taken from your p'o-ed pal the catholic caveman's page about all the evil muslims. Okay. But the boogeyman isn't reserved to friggin' Muslims, evil doesn't only lurk out in the sands of Afghanistan. It can lurk anywhere. Your neighbor, you, me, whatever. In the late 1920's Germany, it lurked in the Jews, allegedly. I just don't see the point in over-exploding over the fact that THIS ONE pissed off spree shooter was an angry Muslim, probably raised by racist parents. Wait till your girl is in school and witnesses her classmates getting shot by someone, white, Christian, okay. See what I'm saying. The badness lurks everywhere, and maybe we can all make ourselves feel better by targeting one "enemy" but at the end of the day, some of it is BS. YES militant muslims are a real threat, too. Just...ugh. I'm getting all philosophical and I'm sure my words will be lost so I'm not sure why I'm even typing.

Maybe it was a purely political terrorist. But maybe, just maybe, it wasn't. We may get rid of all the Muslims out there but I guarantee there's still going to be those random shooters who will shoot you for no good reason, or rape, or maim, or slaughter. PErhaps until we as a society become more loving, less hateful, this kind of crap will just continue on and on.

and look. If we find out this was a pure terrorist political act, you can laugh in my face for my stubbornness. *shrug*

I told you from the start that this was partly personal to me. But it doesn't mean my head isn't on straight, either. I just don't see the point in all the dwelling, labeling, etc. What the heck good will it even do. We're all secretly afraid of Muslims at some level anyway, after 9/11. Blasting this one dude for being another example of a nasty Muslim, I just, I don't know. Don't see the point in it.

And maybe I'm way wrong. Maybe this is a sign that we're being too 'easy' on the Muslims out there who hates us and that they will soon take advantage again and blow us all up. Maybe. I guess till then the best is to pray and vote for the people we want who can actually do something. I guess we have to wait another 3 years for that though, unfortunately.

- L

- L